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AnitaW

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:58am

AnitaW

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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:58am

Timtimbles wrote on Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:00am:

Hope this may be helpful to you except as you’re not pensioners, the S1 doesn’t apply, you would need to get private medical insurance. Residencia only applies if you are going to spend more than 183 days in Spain and then you would be liable to pay tax here and declare all worldly assets. Th...

...e information below is what was required last year!

Requirements for Residencia

1. Ring Overseas Health Department 00441912181999 for S1 Form

2. Open Bank Account with €10,152.80 for a married couple or €5,488.00 for a single person. Ask bank to print out a certificate stating amount in account as proof to take to police station.

3. Go to Town Hall. Ask to be put on the ‘padron’ (electoral roll). Take rental contract/escruitura,  passports & NIE certificates.

4. Passports + photocopies

5. Complete EX18 Form

6. Complete TASA (Form 790-012) & take to bank & pay 12.80

7. NIE Certificates

Take all this to Office de Extranjeros, (police station in Plaza Miranda behind indoor market) up the steps, take a ticket from box on desk like in a supermarket & sit down until number comes up. (Usually ten minutes at most). They don’t speak English!!

Forms EX18 and 790-012 can be downloaded online.

     


Hi Tim, thanks so much for replying to me and providing me so much detail,  and I think if we can stay up to 6 months a year here, that will be absolutely fine for us, at the moment.  Its purely the 'unknown' element of Brexit that is causing us concern, as no one knows how it will be after December.  

So its just weighing up the merits of having this Residencia no lucrativa ( no rights to financial benefits, health care etc), as opposed to just continuing as we are now, we have our NIE and a bank a/c here, pay our local taxes on our apartment etc

We will apply for our 'Padron' at local town hall and continue to mull it over

its good to hear your thoughts,

appreciate it!

all best

Anita 

AnitaW

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:02am

AnitaW

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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:02am

CP03 wrote on Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:10pm:

Hi, you cannot apply for residencia here in Menorca if your main resident is in the UK. You need to make an appointment with a solicitor asap  and sort out where you wish your permanent residence to be. I believe you have to make an appointment on line for the police station, but I’m sure ...

...a good solicitor will do that for you if you choose to become a permanent resident in Menorca.

thanks for responding, we dont want to become permanent residents here no, we want to feel free to spend a few months a year here, without need to for more beaurocracy etc post Brexit, and like many people in similar positions i imagine, trying to look ahead and take precautions.......

best

Anita 

AnitaW

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:07am

AnitaW

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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:07am

Tamara wrote on Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:58am:

If you was changing your passport to Spanish then it would be different but to have a residencia only means getting a cheaper flight ticket only to Spain .  I had a business here for 13 years . I was entitled to nothing . No unemployment or help to support my child. Not even medical. All tha...

...t I paid in to help spainand I got nothing.  Keep your money and dont give it away .  They will sell you a house that is illegal and tell you it's your fault

that doesn't sound good or fair?!   we are not wanting to work here fortunately 

a couple of people on this forum have mentioned tax, do you think we will have to submit tax return if we have a non lucrative residence permit, even if we are not working here, 

thanks again

Anita 

MNS

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:14am

MNS

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Location: Cala Llonga

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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:14am

Be sure you really do want to become ‘full tax paying residents’ and all that comes with it before going ahead.

As residents, you must declare all your world wide assets, shares, incomes etc and pay taxes on these in Spain. There are severe penalties if you don’t!

Also acknowledge that taxation starts at six thousand in Spain, not eleven thousand as in U.K.

Again, be sure it’s for you or you could be financially worse off as a resident in Spain...

Tamara

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:53pm

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Location: Son Bou

Joined: 27 Apr 2020

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:53pm

AnitaW wrote on Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:07am:

that doesn't sound good or fair?!   we are not wanting to work here fortunately 

a couple of people on this forum have mentioned tax, do you think we will have to submit tax return if we have a non lucrative residence permit, even if we are not working here, 

thanks again

Anita 

Hi. Don't tell them anything. As there is no work in menorca not that there ever was anyway. I now work in England and then come to menorca but I don't live here all year round because they take your money and tell us to push off. The spannys will take what you give them because they have no pride. Don't be vulnerable like I have been for so many years.

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Timtimbles

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:50pm

Posts: 76

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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:50pm

AnitaW wrote on Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:58am:

Hi Tim, thanks so much for replying to me and providing me so much detail,  and I think if we can stay up to 6 months a year here, that will be absolutely fine for us, at the moment.  Its purely the 'unknown' element of Brexit that is causing us concern, as no one knows how it will be a...

...fter December.  

So its just weighing up the merits of having this Residencia no lucrativa ( no rights to financial benefits, health care etc), as opposed to just continuing as we are now, we have our NIE and a bank a/c here, pay our local taxes on our apartment etc

We will apply for our 'Padron' at local town hall and continue to mull it over

its good to hear your thoughts,

appreciate it!

all best

Anita 

The thing is after the end of December you will only be allowed to stay 90 days in 180 so you can’t do 6 months in one go.

AnitaW

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:50pm

AnitaW

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Posts: 39

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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:50pm

Timtimbles wrote on Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:50pm:

The thing is after the end of December you will only be allowed to stay 90 days in 180 so you can’t do 6 months in one go.

Thanks Tim,  do you know if the same rule applies if we have a non lucrative residence card, that we can only stay up to 90 days at one time?  

In other words to stay longer than 90 days at one time you have to be a permanent resident? 

AnitaW

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:07pm

AnitaW

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Posts: 39

4 helpful points

Joined: 9 Nov 2018

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:07pm

MNS wrote on Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:14am:

Be sure you really do want to become ‘full tax paying residents’ and all that comes with it before going ahead.

As residents, you must declare all your world wide assets, shares, incomes etc and pay taxes on these in Spain. There are severe penalties if you don’t!

Also acknowledge that taxation starts at six thousand in Spain, not eleven thousand as in U.K.

Again, be sure it’s for you or you could be financially worse off as a resident in Spain...

OK definately food for thought, thank you!  

MNS

Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:26am

MNS

Posts: 6

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Location: Cala Llonga

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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:26am

Tamara wrote on Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:53pm:

Hi. Don't tell them anything. As there is no work in menorca not that there ever was anyway. I now work in England and then come to menorca but I don't live here all year round because they take your money and tell us to push off. The spannys will take what you give them because they have no prid...

...e. Don't be vulnerable like I have been for so many years.

Not sure there is such a thing as ‘non lucrative’ residentiia...those days I think are gone.

If you be one a resident you will pay tax on your world wide assets, including overseas properties, cars, investments and any other income.

They are making it easier to get residential status right now, before Brexit and Brussels potentially making it more difficult and expensive to get...should you still wish.

Spain really need the income provided by ‘Brits abroad’ and they would like as many of us as possible to be one tax paying residents rather that lose revenue.

It will be interesting to see how the 90 day rule will be applied and regulated after December this year... could be many Brits will simply move away rather than either becoming Spanish tax payers or complying with more draconian visiting periods.

Time will tell...

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